Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Treahy <treahy@mmaz.com>
To: Jeff Merkey <jmerkey@timpanogas.com>
Cc: Wakko Warner <wakko@animx.eu.org>; Barrett G. Lyon <blyon@netpr.com>;
<linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Profanity in the Linux Kernel?!?!?
> Please forgive me Jeff, I have no intent to assasinate your character but
these
> were your words, yes?:
>
> > > Don't you guys have something more constructive to focus on, like
getting
> > > real work done to make Linux better? If folks don't like it, then
they
> > > should join Jerry Falwell's Radio Preacher "moral majority" club
>
> I do agree with your immediate statement below that the morality of this
> discussion has nothing to do with technological viability of the product,
so why
> did you make the comment earlier? Are changing posititions?
>
> Regardless, my point still stands which you missed in both messages and
that is
> that, atleast in corporate America, it is a battle to introduce good, new,
> quality products that do not have MS branding and anything that can be or
is
> used to distract from the positive attributes of the product make it
harder to
> sell to management. Lets face it, atleast here in America, we are not
known for
> buying the 'best' product in the market, just the best 'marketed' product;
> remember the 'Pet-Rock' and yes MS?
>
> Marketing of Linux is just as crucial as any other aspect of Linux and if
> profanity in the code can be used against it, then why should we make life
> harder for ourselves.
>
> I'll state it again, this isn't a morale issue, this is business and I
want to
> use the best tools available to me, not forced to use the industry norm
because
> some bean counter reads about a choice of words used in the sources, and
perhaps
> for kernel errors, and HE becauses offended!
>
> Barry Treahy
>
> Jeff Merkey wrote:
>
> > The venomous tone in your response is unprofessional and offensive. You
> > also need to be careful about attempting character assasination with me.
As
> > I've been reminded by folks in this forum, this is not the place to
debate
> > morals or legal issues. Customers also don't really care about
"morality"
> > issues when it comes to technology solutions, and it doesn't matter one
way
> > or the other on this issues about whether enterprise customers will
adopt
> > Linux or not based on moral issues. Look at Microsoft, now there's a
> > paragon of morality -- their predatory and ruthless behavior has not
slowed
> > or hindered sales of their products at all, in fasct, it's their
behavior
> > that has made them the most powerul and successful sfotware company on
the
> > planet.. Also, I haven't missed any points, and have seen the entire
> > thread. History is replendent with those who take up the banner of
"moral
> > temperance" for their own personal causes. Most of the wars of history
have
> > their roots in this type of issue. We should keep this forum technical,
and
> > allow folks the freedom to express their views, however, they choose to
do
> > so -- even prof(ane)oundly if they choose to.
> >
> > Very Truly Yours,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Barry Treahy <treahy@mmaz.com>
> > To: Jeff Merkey <jmerkey@timpanogas.com>
> > Cc: Wakko Warner <wakko@animx.eu.org>; Barrett G. Lyon
<blyon@netpr.com>;
> > <linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 11:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: Profanity in the Linux Kernel?!?!?
> >
> > > I believe you've missed a couple of the well articulated points; that
is
> > that
> > > people are working hard to present Linux as an acceptable component in
> > corporate
> > > environments and that anything which casts a negative impression about
the
> > Linux
> > > makes it much harder to fight corporate bean counters that own
MicroSloth
> > stock.
> > >
> > > This isn't an issue of morals and you should keep your personal slams
to
> > > yourself, this is a matter of business and trying to make successful
> > inroads
> > > with powerful tools that we all recognize have value. Childish
statements
> > and
> > > actions, or in this case profanity, do nothing but foster an attitude
for
> > those
> > > Windoze folks that Linux shouldn't be taken seriously.
> > >
> > > Whether you like it or not, there are agendas out there and anything
that
> > can
> > > give a product a black-eye will be used to distract or diminish the
> > perceived
> > > quality or viability in a corporate environment.
> > >
> > > Barry
> > >
> > > Jeff Merkey wrote:
> > >
> > > > Who cares! Profanity is like sex, death, and taxes -- it's a part
of
> > life.
> > > > Don't you guys have something more constructive to focus on, like
> > getting
> > > > real work done to make Linux better? If folks don't like it, then
they
> > > > should join Jerry Falwell's Radio Preacher "moral majority" club or
> > > > something. As swamped as I am with Linux work, I'm surprised folks
out
> > > > there have enough idel time on their hands to banter this type of
stuff.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Wakko Warner <wakko@animx.eu.org>
> > > > To: Barrett G. Lyon <blyon@netpr.com>;
<linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:37 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Profanity in the Linux Kernel?!?!?
> > > >
> > > > > > >This topic came up several times before, and the result is that
> > > > > > >arbitrary censorship of code/comments is not going to happen.
The
> > > > > > >only exception is in kernel messages which can reach the user
in
> > the
> > > > > > >message logs, and those have been cleaned up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not that I care.. but.. :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ./net/core/profile.c: printk(KERN_CRIT "Yep, guys...
our
> > > > template
> > > > > > for proc_*_read is crappy :-)\n");
> > > > > > ./drivers/net/sdladrv.c: printk(KERN_ERR "%s:
Damn...
> > > > > > Adapter won't start!\n",
> > > > > > ./drivers/isdn/isdn_common.c: printk(KERN_ERR
> > > > > > "isdn_common: isdn_poll 1 -> what the hell\n");
> > > > > > ./drivers/isdn/isdn_common.c: printk(KERN_ERR "isdn_common:
> > isdn_poll
> > > > 2
> > > > > > -> what the hell\n");
> > > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c: printk("SHIT[%s:%d]: "
> > > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c: printk("SHIT[%s:%d]: "
> > > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c:
> > printk("instruction_access_exception:
> > > > Shit
> > > > > > SFSR[%016lx] SFAR[%016lx], going.\n",
> > > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c:
> > printk("data_access_exception:
> > > > Shit
> > > > > > SFSR[%016lx] SFAR[%016lx], going.\n",
> > > > >
> > > > > Proposed config option:
> > > > > CONFIG_ENABLE_PROFANITY
> > > > > =)
> > > > >
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