Re: NVIDIA Driver 1.0-6111 fix
From: Sid Boyce
Date: Sun Sep 05 2004 - 09:40:04 EST
Grzegorz Kulewski wrote:
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Alan Cox wrote:
On Sad, 2004-09-04 at 22:22, Lee Revell wrote:
I have never understood why these people don't just run Windows. I
have
also never understood why people make so much noise about having to use
a closed source driver to play A CLOSED SOURCE GAME! What's next, a
petition to open the UT2004 source? Sheesh...
Because a lot of them happen to like running things on Linux, or having
the webserver still work while they are blasting aliens. You could ask a
few of them. Thats a rather good idea when you don't understand why
people do something. They also play a lot of open source games - bzflag,
cube, flightgear (which does need a high end video card to do well),
gl-117, neverball etc. Take a look at the happypenguin website some day.
Yes. Also Linux has often better performance and is way more smooth
than Windows. I am running vanilla-rc-bk with -ck patches (and some
others) and I can download or compile something and play my favourite
game (at the same time) without any problems.
Also not everybody have enought money to buy Windows (and all legal
applications that every normal Windows user must have).
And when I am using Linux I can forget about the treat that somebody
will find my IP and will (automatically) compromise my system and
install some worm (for example to send spam to LKML) in it. Games
often have security holes too and if I run them on Linux on my user
account I am sure that, in the worst scenarion, somebody will gain my
normal user rights (or my normal game user rights) instead of "root"
in Windows.
I threw out Windows many years ago and have seen light ever since. I've
even installed Linux on my daughter's machine and the one time she
wanted to switch back to Windows was when she couldn't figure out how to
delete files, then I showed her how to do it in konqueror and she's been
happy ever since, even with the games. I came in for some stick when I
first used Linux for doing everything at work, mainly because they had
an old mailer which used to throw up several pages of preamble for
anything from Netscape mail, later, I was one of a small bunch that used
only Linux proudly even for Cisco VPN connection from home using cable,
wiping smiles and snide remarks away.
When we had a small but active contingent using Linux on the UK TCP/IP
hamradio network, we took some awful flack, especially from one guy who
had never seen Linux but got bent out of shape at the mention of it, he
stopped abruptly when he discovered he was the main recruiting seargeant
for Linux, by then he'd gained us more users. One guy comically (no pun
intended) referred to Linux as "Boy's Own Unix", I assume apology to
"Boy's Own Comic".
I knew we were in great shape the first day Bill Gates mentioned Linux -
greater things are yet to happen, lots of little pieces of a jigsaw
puzzle eventually paint a whole picture.
I suspect many of these users are ricers who tweak CFLAGS and compare
benchmark scores all day, and cannot bear to use the open source driver
if it will make their machine 1% slower. I was surprised to find that
There is certainly a strong Gentoo gaming contingent.
I am running Gentoo. I have very conservative CFLAGS and I am not
benchmarking my system and comaring results with friends. I am using
Gentoo mainly because it has very big amount of software "packaged", I
can choose what software I am installing on my box (nobody will force
me to install esd - not needed with ALSA and often harmful - just
because 1000 apps in my distribution are compiled with it), software
is compiled from sources (its open*_source_* not openRPM or openDEB),
and new versions of apps are appearing constantly not with 6 months
release cycle. Also Gentoo has very good (but can-be-better)
installer/deinstaller.
Yes, I am using nvidia binary only modules. But there was some time
when nvidia binary module was not supporting 4k stacks in kernel. And
I was using some -bk kernel that had this option and I turned it on.
So I tried the nv X driver and later framebuffer driver. Both were
absolutelly useless. One was freezing my box constantly and the second
also had some mayor problems. And the quality of picture in both of
them was worst than bad. One of them displayed some "moving
background" on search subpages of lkml.org instead of normal
background with nvidia binary drivers - this can yield to epilepsia or
other illness in very short time. Of course I was unable to play my
favourite tuxracer (OPENSOURCE). So I was forced to return to nvidia
binary only driver as soon as they provided fixed one.
And I am using nvidia binary only driver for nearly 4 years on my
GeForce 2 and I have seen only 2 or 3 oopses caused by this driver.
And I am using very experimental (-mm or -vanilla-bk) kernels with
strange patches from time to time. Nearly all ooopses were
reproductible with untainted kernel.
Grzegorz Kulewski
Ouch!! The 4k-stacks and nvidia bit me twice, once when I didn't know
about it and once when I built a new kernel and forgot to reverse the
patch - 2 new rebuilds had to be done, it had corrupted my hard drive
beyond reach and reclaim by reiserfsck.
Regards
Sid.
--
Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer
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