Re: Kernel includefile bug not fixed after a year :-(

[Jens Axboe]

On Tue, Sep 30 2003, Andreas Steinmetz wrote:
> Jens Axboe wrote:
> >On Tue, Sep 30 2003, Andreas Steinmetz wrote:
> >
> >>Jens Axboe wrote:
> >>
> >>>I think I do.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>In order to use kernel interfaces you _need_ to include kernel include
> >>>>files.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>False. You need to include the glibc kernel headers.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Then please tell me why PPPIOCNEWUNIT is only defined in linux/if_ppp.h 
> >>and not net/if_ppp.h which is still true for glibc-2.3.2. And please 
> >>don't tell me to ask the glibc folks. There are inconsistencies between 
> >>kernel headers and userland headers which force the inclusion of kernel 
> >>headers in userland applications.
> >
> >
> >I will tell you to talk to the glibc folks, because that's where your
> >problem is.
> >
> I don't think so. If ioctls are introduced in the kernel the kernel 
> people should propagate these to the glibc people. I don't think it is 
> the task of userland developers.

It's not solely their responsibility, I agree. Just see my mail to
davem. Did you tell the glibc folks about the missing ioctls?

> But then this is my point of view and I don't think it necessary to 
> discuss this further.

Agree. It's long been established that kernel headers aren't always
suitable for user space inclusion, this discussion doesn't change that
fact.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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