Re: FENRIS (nwfs) 1.4.2 Source Code Available,

Jeff Merkey (jmerkey@timpanogas.com)
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:51:40 -0600


Alan,

I think all things being equal, linux today is **GREAT** technology. Yes,
it did break Caldera's Netware stuff (It's still busted, I have to do a lot
of work on 2.0.35 then move it to a 2.2.9 box to test). I also think alot
of the work being done with the Page Cache is totally **KICK ASS**. I'm
just saying we should try to assess the impact on the commercial Linux
vendors, and try to give them adequate warning, but progress also has a
price and I agree it's difficult tightrope to walk.

After all, you cannot make an omlette without breaking a few eggs.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Jeff Merkey <jmerkey@timpanogas.com>
Cc: <viro@math.psu.edu>; <shirsch@adelphia.net>;
<linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu>; <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>;
<torvalds@transmeta.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: FENRIS (nwfs) 1.4.2 Source Code Available,

> > changes that were made between 2.0 and 2.2 in the file system
architecturaly
> > was unsound from an engineering perspective, although I do understand
why it
> > needed to change, most commercial software companies would have never
> > allowed this to occur. The changes are what have broken Caldera's
Netware
> > clients..
>
> Thats the difference between dying of legacy support and good efficient
code.
> And yes it is a difficult tightrope to walk. Im suprised it broke netware
> so badly. The free netware client was updated very easily and speedily.
>
> > running when customers needed them. In the future, we should not make
such
> > sweeping changes wuthout making certain there is still a method to
support
> > the old interfaces as well.
>
> That can be hard. How would you efficiently hide the new page cache for
example.
>
> The other thing is that the model is very different. A good example here
is
> the 3c501 driver. I don't use 3c501 cards any more. Linux 2.2 works with
the
> 3c501 because the code was part of the free software tree people who are
> afflicted with them sent me the patches needed.
>
> Similarly when other stuff breaks the person who breaks it generally is
> expected to fix most of the other drivers.
>
> The dentries stuff was probably the hardest change to deal with though.
Its
> not a simple proceedure to quickly fix up code without understanding the
> problem, which reduces the number of users who fix it. (and yes I do get
> patches from people that start 'I don't know C, but xyz wouldnt compile
> in the new 2.1.x release so I copied the change from this similar looking
> thing and now it works'.)
>
> I don't claim we have the model right, but the rules are definitely
different
>
> Alan
>
>

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