Re: Profanity in the Linux Kernel?!?!?

Kai Henningsen (kaih@khms.westfalen.de)
14 Jun 1999 22:50:00 +0200


rhw@MemAlpha.CX (Riley Williams) wrote on 11.06.99 in <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906110034400.25063-100000@ps.cus.umist.ac.uk>:

> Hi Michael.
>
> > Hm. Which would you rather have in YOUR kernel?
>
> > "Fatal Exception 0E at address 349f930d:020a34ff"
>
> > Or
>
> > "Something fucked up. This shouldn't happen."
> > "oops 00"
>
> > Personally, I'd rather see something say "Something fucked up"
> > and maybe a description of it, in HUMAN READABLE terms (e.g.,
> > readable by non-programmers and CS majors) as opposed to "fatal
> > exception 0E..." which really tells a user NOTHING about what
> > just happened.
>
> To be honest, you've asked the wrong question, so can I ask the
> correct one for you?

Q>> Assuming that you are an intelligent human being working in
Q>> an office where you get to use computers on a daily basis as
Q>> part of your job, but (a) the computer is just one of many
Q>> tools you use as part of your job, and (b) English is not
Q>> your first language, but one you learned as an adult, which
Q>> of the above example messages would you find easiest to work
Q>> with?

Still the wrong question, since all we're arguing here is the language,
not the debug info content.

How about this:

"Fatal Exception 0E at address 020a34ff"

Or

"Something fucked up. This shouldn't happen."
"code=0E EIP=020a34ff"

> To put that in context, a friend of mine works for a travel agent, and
> his first language is Gaelic (the native language of Scotland), but he
> has learned English in recent years.

"In recent years" as opposed to "in school"? What other languages did he
learn before English and after Gaelic?

If the answer turns out to be "none", I'll be extremely skeptical about
that account.

> I showed him your message, and he
> freely admitted that the latter example message was meaningless to
> him. However, the former is of a form he is more than used to seeing
> at work as WIndows 98 regularly displays messages of that form, and he
> thus knows exactly what to do when he sees a message of that form.

Well, English certainly isn't my native language (German is), but anyone
who has serious contact with English speakers will certainly know what
"fucked up" means. (That's how I know.)

MfG Kai

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