Re: [OFFTOPIC] Gnumenclature was Re: IBM, was never Re: Linux Kernel

Steven Roberts (strobert@ata-sd.com)
Thu, 07 Jan 1999 13:48:12 -0800


Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Well GNU started GCC and paid for much of its development until
> recently, so I would say it is their project. They also own the
> copyright on GCC and much of the other "GNU" utils, by dint of legal
> papers signed by the authors.
>
> Also, even though most of the recent GCC work didn't come from the FSF,
> it builds on older work that did, and much of the older work is still in
> use today.
>
> GCC certainly wouldn't exist without RMS & GNU. Something else would, I
> daresay. IMO, without GNU, Linux (the system) would feel very different
> and be much further behind technologically than it is. Even if actual
> GNU code is "only" 35% of the system now. IMO, the original GNU project
> has been entirely successful.
>
> -- Jamie

One point, that if mentioned already I missed, is that IMO the reverse
is true as well. Without Linux, GNU would not be where it is today.
With the advent of Linux,
the userbase of GNU software jumped by leaps and bounds. As such the
quality improved as the code was exercised by far more people and bugs
were found faster. gcc and Linux built off of each other.

So yes, Linux does owe GNU credit more helping it along. But GNU also
owes a lot to Linux. Of course if you look at one of my primary linux
box uses these days (router/web server/nameserver) a more correct name
would be Apache/GNU/ISC/Linux :). I guess I don't feel much sympathy
for the GNU marketing effort these days. I used endorse GNU heavily.
Then I read a few of the "docs" on the site talking about GNU coding
mentality -- ticked me off royally. the comments about emacs vs. vi
were pretty bad. sure emacs has a lot of benefits over vi, but to call
vi so useless that it would be unthinkable not to replace it didn't seem
too objective...

Anyways... there are a lot of people and a lot of organizations that
have contributed to the success Linux is today. GNU is one of them, but
there are others too. Let's spend our energies on banging out code or
writing docs or testing... instead of fighting each other. I personally
like to direct my anger towards Redmond :)

Regards,
Steve

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