Re: Comments on Microsoft Open Source document

Khimenko Victor (khim@sch57.msk.ru)
Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:19:00 +0300 (MSK)


7-Nov-98 09:59 you wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Thomas Molina wrote:

Just standard US SUPER-EGOISM. You could have russian text in HTML/WP/WORD.
You CAN NOT and NEVER will be able to send russian text as ASCII text.

E M A I L I S N O T A S C I I ! ! ! !

I prefer HTML here (it's by far better defined format) or one of text/plain
variants (there are quite a few: "text/plain; charset=KOI8-R",
"text/plain; charset=windows-1251", "text/plain; charset=ibm866", etc, etc)
since I have enough tools to read [almost] all variations of "text/plain"
with ability to carry russian text. But I simple could not get email from
A LOT OF my friends in ASCII...

>>The idjits just don't think. Our organization's three year computer
>>upgrade was at the same time MS 98/Office 97 came out. People who got
>>the new computers started sending out documents in the new format which,
>>in the beginning, only a tiny percentage could read. So, not only were
>>the lusers idjits, the admins were also lusers.

> Thus the importance of standards. ASCII text is ASCII text. A
> message sent now will be readable 100 years from now, and a
> message sent 100 years from now as ASCII text will be readable
> 100 years ago (in terms of then). ASCII doesn't have version
> numbers, and email is strictly defined in RFC's. Attachments are
> not email, they are attachments.

> Therefore an email only containing attachments does not contain
> any email at all, just file attachments. Without valid ASCII
> text in the message, as far as I'm concerned it is not email. If
> I have an application that can look at an attachment, I may or
> may not go through the trouble of viewing it. GIF/JPG's
> purposefully sent to me with specific intent for me to look at,
> such as jokes from friends, etc... are welcome and I'll save and
> view with zgv/xv. GIF/JPG attached to email in mailing lists is
> violation of netiquette IMHO unless it fits the particular list.
> Likewise are other formats such as HTML, and other attachments.
> I regularly delete HTML, Wordperfect, Word, etc documents sent
> out, because it is obvious to me that the people sending them are
> not sending me a webpage/wordperfect doc or word doc, but are
> rather sending me an EMAIL MESSAGE stupidly written in one of
> those formats.

> The only HTML/WP/WORD attachments that I will in fact save, are
> ones sent as attachments to an ASCII text message telling me what
> the attachment is, and why it was sent. So for example, someone
> sending me a Resume in WP format and telling me so in the mail it
> is attached to - would be considered acceptible. Someone writing
> me an email message in WP is not acceptible. Email is not
> Wordperfect/WOrd/HTML, it is ASCII. Programs that send email as
> non-ASCII, are non-standard, and such mail goes unread to
> /dev/null, and always will do so, unless PINE gets a built in WP
> or HTML viewer anytime soon.

> --
> Mike A. Harris - Computer Consultant - Linux advocate

> Linux software galore: http://freshmeat.net

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