RE: (reiserfs) Re: LVM / Filesystems / High availability

Amsden, Zachary (amsdenz@aavid.com)
Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:29:31 -0400


> > ... and fs resizing on Linux will need fs support too. Again, the
> > question is, given that the fs needs to add support, do we need
> resizing
> > support at the block device layer TOO? Or is that just extra
> > unnecessary complexity? I for one would be quite happy with a
> scheme in
> > which the filesystem could span multiple block devices; that would
> allow
> > shrinking and growing at will, without any complex interaction
> > requirements between the filesystem and the block device layers.
>
> Yes. there must be some layer which maintains the available
> block devices (and provides the user level tools). This should be
> done in a file system independend manner.
> All file systems could be used and with LVM and specifically adapted
> file systems could even re-size online (at least enlarging a fs may
> be possible).
>
Agreed. Any useful filesystem is resizeable
offline and thus could benefit from LVM devices.
This does require the developement of special
tools for each FS type to do the resize. It
doesn't require any change to FS kernel code.

When you start talking about dynamically
resizeable filesystems, then you need to change
the kernel FS code, because the active FS needs
to be aware of what changes are going to occur
on the block level, may need to prepare for
these changes and clean up when they are done.

It gets really complicated when you want to
remove a block device from an LVM device. The
LVM device needs to tell the filesystem to
move all data out of logical blocks xxx-yyy,
the filesystem needs to do that, and then
afterwards patch the hole in the LVM address
space by re-addressing nodes and metadata into
the newly shrunken address space. The only
way to avoid this extremely costly re-address
process would be to implement something like
paging block devices into the LVM device (at
least that I can think of right now). That
seems like a lot of trouble to go to just to
get live shrinkable FS's. Live growable FS's
wouldn't be too hard to do with LVMs and a
simple message to the FS code saying that its
block device just grew by X blocks.

Zach Amsden
amsden@andrew.cmu.edu

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