Re: OFFTOPIC: GTK and alternative GUIs and windowing systems in Linux

Miguel de Icaza (miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx)
Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:58:00 -0600


> > The GNOME project (http://www.gnome.org) aims at providing a
> > completely freely redistributable desktop environment for Unix systems
> > (unlike KDE which is based on the non-free Qt libs).
>
> This is such a bogus argument. It's unfortunate that the sole driving
> reason for GNOME over KDE is faulty. Qt is free for developing free
> software. If you want to develop software for profit, you purchase the
> commercial license. Is that so hard?

I am thinking "free" in the sense of freedom, not in the sense of
price. The latest versions of the GPL and the MANIFESTO are very
explicit about this distinction. Please, go read them.

Yes, Internet Explorer is free in the sense of price, but not in the
sense of freedom.

Freedom software (I think some people want to change the name to Open
Source, to describe better this idea) gives you a set of rights:

- The right to learn from the code.
- The right to share the code.
- The right to modify the code.
- The right to share those modifications.
- The right to adapt the code to your needs.

Qt does not give me rights (3), (4), nor (5). Even worse, if I do
commercial applications, I have to pay someone.

If you like to pay, that is fine, you can go and pick up SCO Unix, do
not know why you bother with a free (freedom) Unix implementation in
the first place.

> KDE is free and it works beautifully. GNOME is also free, but it is
> presently vaporware. Yes, I have downloaded and compiled the latest
> stuff, and it ain't too convincing. GNOME will probably succeed
> eventually, not because it deserves to, but because the public is being
> misinformed.

Your vaporware definition is either pretty odd or you have not
bothered to check the actual gnome code:

GNOME is made up of:

gnome modules: 207,919 lines of code.
gdk imlib: 7,222 lines of code.
Apps: 6,171 lines of code.
File Manager: 51,901 lines of code.

The sum of the lines of code is left as an excercise to you.

This does not count the GIMP program, which is the original Gtk
application.

I suggest you check your facts before posting.

Miguel.

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