Re: 2.0, loggings, cpu quotas, 2.1 issues, etc.

Jeff Johnson (trn@gate.net)
Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:37:32 +0000 (GMT)


On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Matthias Urlichs wrote:

> In linux.dev.kernel, article <Pine.LNX.3.93.960611014506.3875A-100000=
@brando>,
> Kevin M Bealer <kmb203@psu.edu> writes:
> >=20
> > As for the CPU quotas I like the idea of "no more than 20% of the C=
PU" at
> > once, but I don't know how implementable it would be. As for "only=
n hours
>=20
> It's implementable. The kernel needs a "struct userinfo" per logged-i=
n user=20
> for that to work. The same structure could also hold total memory usa=
ge,
> which would enable us to finally block most of the more malicious
> fork/malloc bombs.
>=20
> > of CPU use per user", I don't see why this couldn't be better done =
in user
> > space... unless you mean absolute, cumulative time spent by the CPU=
for that
> > user only -- and you can, say, ftp for a _long_ time (with a 14.4 a=
nyway)
> > before you show significant time on "top". -- most users won't be d=
oing
> > really intensive stuff.
> >=20
> I don't think that's too useful. We can already count how much CPU th=
e user
> burned. Capping the amount of "live" memory for the user (so as to pr=
event=20
> a "mmap() as much of /dev/zero as we're allowed to, and then randomly
> write to bytes thereof" attack) would be better.
>=20
> But then, if you have that kind of user population where this is a
> significant problem, your money is better spent on educating these gu=
ys to
> Not Do That (and kick the few people who can't understand the words "=
cease
> and desist" off the system).

True, but this is an educational-type environment, where idiots pride=20
themselves in the knowledge they can crash things. Oh well... Do Not D=
o=20
That doesn't work that well. I really do like the idea of memory quota=
. =20
I would just say that they can take up as much memory as they want as=20
long as they don't start swapping and degraded performance for other=20
users. We should maybe find a adaptive way to do this, as well as=20
possibly have a /etc/sysquota.conf or similar.

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