Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] ata: ahci: Skip 200 ms debounce delay for AMD 300 Series Chipset SATA Controller

[Paul Menzel]

Dear Damien,


Am 01.04.22 um 09:23 schrieb Damien Le Moal:
> On 4/1/22 14:18, Paul Menzel wrote:

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> > Am 01.04.22 um 01:04 schrieb Damien Le Moal:
> > > On 3/31/22 23:42, Paul Menzel wrote:
> >
> > > > Am 23.03.22 um 09:36 schrieb Paul Menzel:
> > > >
> > > > > Am 23.03.22 um 09:24 schrieb Damien Le Moal:
> > > > > > On 3/23/22 15:55, Paul Menzel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Am 23.03.22 um 06:01 schrieb Damien Le Moal:
> > > > > > > > On 3/22/22 06:51, Limonciello, Mario wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Paul Menzel <pmenzel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2022 16:25
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > […]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I seem to recall that we were talking about trying to drop the
> > > > > > > > > debounce delay for everything, weren't we?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So perhaps it would be right to add a 4th patch in the series to do
> > > > > > > > > just that.  Then If this turns out to be problematic for
> > > > > > > > > anything other than the controllers in the series that you
> > > > > > > > > identified as not problematic then that 4th patch can
> > > > > > > > > potentially be reverted alone?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not quite everything :) But you are right, let's try to switch the
> > > > > > > > default to no delay. I will be posting patches today for that.
> > > > > > > > With these patches, your patches are not necessary anymore as the AMD
> > > > > > > > chipset falls under the default no-delay.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am all for improving the situation for all devices, but I am unable to
> > > > > > > judge the regression potential of changing this, as it affects a lot of
> > > > > > > devices. I guess it’d would go through the next tree, and hopefully the
> > > > > > > company QA teams can give it a good spin. I hoped that my patches, as I
> > > > > > > have tested them, and AMD will hopefully too, could go into the current
> > > > > > > merge window.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, correct, the plan is to get the generic series queued as soon
> > > > > > as rc1 so that it can spend plenty of time in linux-next for people
> > > > > > to test. That will hopefully reduce the risk of breaking things in
> > > > > > the field. Same for  the default LPM change.
> > > > >
> > > > > But 5.18 or 5.19? If 5.18, sounds good to me, if 5.19, I’d be great if
> > > > > my patches go into 5.18 cycle, as they have been tested, and it would
> > > > > mean the whole change gets tested more widely already.
> > > > >
> > > > > > With the default removal of the debounce delay, your patches addressing
> > > > > > only the AMD adapter are not needed anymore: this adapter will not have a
> > > > > > debounce delay unless the ATA_LFLAG_DEBOUNCE_DELAY flag is set.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, I understand.
> > > >
> > > > The merge window for Linux 5.18 is going to close in three days this
> > > > Sunday. It’d be really great if my patches, tested on hardware, could go
> > > > into that.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > It would be nice if you can test though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course, I am going to that either way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Series posted with you on CC. Please test !
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you. I am going to test it in the coming days, and report back.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe more people should be put in Cc (Dell, Lenovo, IBM, x86 subsystem)
> > > > > with a request to test this?
> > > > Thank you for the patches, which are a big improvement. Let’s hope, you
> > > > can re-roll them, so they get into Linux very soon for everyone’s benefit.
> > >
> > > I am waiting for 5.18-rc1 to rebase the patches and re-post them. Given
> > > reviewed-by and tested-by tags, I will queue them for 5.19.
> >
> > As discussed in the other thread, it’s impossible to be 100 % certain,
> > it won’t break anything.
>
> Yes, that is why I want to push the patches early in the cycle to be able
> to revert if too many problems are reported.
>
> > > With that in mind, I am not planning to apply your previous patches
> > > for 5.18, as they would conflict and would only end up being churn
> > > since the delay removal by default will undo your changes.
> > Obviously, I do not agree, as this would give the a little bit more
> > testing already, if changing the default is a good idea. Also, if the
> > conflict will be hard to resolve, I happily do it (the patches could
> > even be reverted on top – git commits are cheap and easy to handle).
>
> The conflict is not hard to resolve. The point is that my patches changing
> the default to no debounce delay completely remove the changes of your
> patch to do the same for one or some adapters. So adding your patches now
> and then my patches on top does not make much sense at all.
>
> If too many problems show up and I end up reverting/removing the patches,
> then I will be happy to take your patches for the adapter you tested. Note
> that *all* the machines I have tested so far are OK without a debounce
> delay too. So we could add them too... And endup with a long list of
> adapters that use the default ahci driver without debounce delay. The goal
> of changing the default to no delay is to avoid that. So far, the adapters
> I have identified that need the delay have their own declaration, so we
> only need to add a flag there. Simpler change that listing up adapters
> that are OK without the delay.
>
> > Anyway, I wrote my piece, but you are the maintainer, so it’s your call
> > and I stop bothering you.

I just wanted to inquire about the status of your changes? I do not find 
them in your `for-5.19` branch. As they should be tested in linux-next 
before the merge window opens, if these are not ready yet, could you 
please apply my (tested) patches?


Kind regards,

Paul