Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] iio: humidity: si7020: Check device property for skipping reset in probe

[Eddie James]

On 5/18/22 10:28, Eddie James wrote:
> On 5/14/22 10:02, Peter Rosin wrote:
> > 2022-05-14 at 15:43, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > > On Sat, 14 May 2022 00:48:51 +0200
> > > Peter Rosin <peda@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > 2022-05-13 at 18:45, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 12 May 2022 12:08:07 -0500
> > > > > Eddie James <eajames@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > On 5/12/22 11:48, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, 12 May 2022 11:20:18 -0500
> > > > > > > Eddie James <eajames@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I2C commands issued after the SI7020 is starting up or after reset
> > > > > > > > can potentially upset the startup sequence. Therefore, the host
> > > > > > > > needs to wait for the startup sequence to finish before issuing
> > > > > > > > further i2c commands. This is impractical in cases where the 
> > > > > > > > SI7020
> > > > > > > > is on a shared bus or behind a mux, which may switch channels at
> > > > > > > > any time (generating I2C traffic). Therefore, check for a device
> > > > > > > > property that indicates that the driver should skip resetting the
> > > > > > > > device when probing.
> > > > > > > Why not lock the bus?  It's not ideal, but then not resetting 
> > > > > > > and hence
> > > > > > > potentially ending up in an unknown state isn't great either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agreed, but locking the bus doesn't work in the case where the 
> > > > > > chip is
> > > > > > behind a mux. The mux core driver deselects the mux immediately 
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > the transfer to reset the si7020, causing some i2c traffic, 
> > > > > > breaking the
> > > > > > si7020. So it would also be a requirement to configure the mux to 
> > > > > > idle
> > > > > > as-is... That's why I went with the optional skipping of the reset.
> > > > > > Maybe I should add the bus lock too?
> > > > > +Cc Peter and linux-i2c for advice as we should resolve any potential
> > > > > issue with the mux side of things rather than hiding it in the driver
> > > > > (if possible!)
> > > > IIUC, the chip in question cannot handle *any* action on the I2C bus
> > > > for 15ms (or so) after a "soft reset", or something bad<tm> happens
> > > > (or at least may happen).
> > > >
> > > > If that's the case, then providing a means of skipping the reset is
> > > > insufficient. If you don't lock the bus, you would need to *always*
> > > > skip the reset, because you don't know for certain if something else
> > > > does I2C xfers.
> > > >
> > > > So, in order to make the soft reset not be totally dangerous even in
> > > > a normal non-muxed environment, the bus must be locked for the 15ms.
> > > >
> > > > However, Eddie is correct in that the I2C mux code may indeed do its
> > > > muxing xfer right after the soft reset command. There is currently
> > > > no way to avoid that muxing xfer. However, it should be noted that
> > > > there are ways to mux an I2C bus without using xfers on the bus
> > > > itself, so it's not problematic for *all* mux variants.
> > > >
> > > > It can be debated if the problem should be worked around with extra
> > > > dt properties like this, or if a capability should be added to delay
> > > > a trailing muxing xfer.
> > > >
> > > > I bet there are other broken chips that have drivers that do in fact
> > > > lock the bus to give the chip a break, but then it all stumbles
> > > > because of the unexpected noise if there's a (wrong kind of) mux in
> > > > the mix.
> > > Ok, so for now I think we need the bus lock for the reset + either
> > > a work around similar to this series, or additions to the i2c mux code
> > > to stop it doing a muxing xfer if the bus is locked?
> > I think there might be cases where it might be valid to restore the mux
> > directly after an xfer even if the mux is externally locked prior to the
> > muxed xfer. But I'm not sure? In any case, it will be a bit convoluted
> > for the mux code to remember that it might need to restore the mux
> > later. And it will get even hairier when multiple levels of muxing is
> > considered...
> >
> > Maybe some kind of hook/callback that could be installed temporarily on
> > the I2C adapter that is called right after the "real" xfer, where the
> > driver could then make the needed mdelay call?
> >
> > I.e.
> > 1. lock the bus
> > 2. install this new hook/callback
> > 3. do an unlocked xfer, get notified and call mdelay
> > 5. uninstall the hook/callback
> > 6. unlock the bus
> >
> > The hook/callback could be uninstalled automatically on unlock, then
> > you would not need to handle multiple notifications. But then again,
> > there is probably some existing framework that should be used that
> > handles all than neatly and efficiently.
>
>
> Hm, interesting. Sounds a bit complicated, though very flexible. For a 
> less flexible, but less complex, approch, we could add a i2c_msg flag 
> that says to do a delay in the core? And then si7020 could just submit 
> a couple of raw messages rather than smbus... What do you think?


Um, nevermind... that would require changes in all the bus drivers. I'll 
look into implementing the hook/callback.

Thanks,

Eddie


> Thanks,
>
> Eddie
>
>
>
> > Me waves hand a bit...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Peter