Re: [PATCH AUTOSEL for 4.14 015/161] printk: Add console owner and waiter logic to load balance console writes

[Thomas Backlund]

Den 19.04.2018 kl. 16:59, skrev Greg KH:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 02:41:33PM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
> > Den 16-04-2018 kl. 19:19, skrev Sasha Levin:
> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:12:24PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:02:03 +0000
> > > > Sasha Levin <Alexander.Levin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > One of the things Greg is pushing strongly for is "bug compatibility":
> > > > > we want the kernel to behave the same way between mainline and stable.
> > > > > If the code is broken, it should be broken in the same way.
> > > >
> > > > Wait! What does that mean? What's the purpose of stable if it is as
> > > > broken as mainline?
> > >
> > > This just means that if there is a fix that went in mainline, and the
> > > fix is broken somehow, we'd rather take the broken fix than not.
> > >
> > > In this scenario, *something* will be broken, it's just a matter of
> > > what. We'd rather have the same thing broken between mainline and
> > > stable.
> >
> > Yeah, but _intentionally_ breaking existing setups to stay "bug compatible"
> > _is_ a _regression_ you _really_ _dont_ want in a stable
> > supported distro. Because end-users dont care about upstream breaking
> > stuff... its the distro that takes the heat for that...
> >
> > Something "already broken" is not a regression...
> >
> > As distro maintainer that means one now have to review _every_ patch that
> > carries "AUTOSEL", follow all the mail threads that comes up about it, then
> > track if it landed in -stable queue, and read every response and possible
> > objection to all patches in the -stable queue a second time around... then
> > check if it still got included in final stable point relase and then either
> > revert them in distro kernel or go track down all the follow-up fixes
> > needed...
> >
> > Just to avoid being "bug compatible with master"
>
> I've done this "bug compatible" "breakage" more than the AUTOSEL stuff
> has in the past, so you had better also be reviewing all of my normal
> commits as well :)

Yeah, I do... and same goes there ... if there is a known issue, then 
same procedure... Either revert, or try to track down fixes...


> Anyway, we are trying not to do this, but it does, and will,
> occasionally happen.  Look, we just did that for one platform for
> 4.9.94!  And the key to all of this is good testing, which we are now
> doing, and hopefully you are also doing as well.

Yeah, but having to test stuff with known breakages is no fun, so we try 
to avoid that

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Thomas