Re: 50 Watt idle power regression bisected to Linux-3.10

[Peter Zijlstra]

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 03:08:35PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 09:50 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > Well, availability could be a problem too, if some CPU (real or 
> > virtual) implements MWAIT but not CLFLUSH.
> > 
> > In theory we could make mwait an alternatives variant and patch in the 
> > right combination of instructions? The CLFLUSH goes to the same 
> > address as on which the monitoring happens, so it could be considered 
> > one meta-instruction.
> > 
> 
> The first thing to do is probably to drop the use of thread_info as a
> wakeup doorbell.  It seemed like a good idea at the time -- after all,
> there is one for each thread -- but it is extremely likely to be dirty
> in the cache, which is (presumably) what causes these kinds of bugs to
> be maximally likely.  Even if we don't do the CLFLUSH it is likely that
> the hardware has to do something expensive behind the scenes.
> 
> So I would like to propose that we switch to using a percpu variable
> which is a single cache line of nothing at all.  It would only ever be
> touched by MONITOR and for explicit wakeup.  Hopefully that will resolve
> this problem without the need for the CLFLUSH.

The reason we use thread_info::flags is because we need to write
TIF_NEED_RESCHED into it to wake up anyhow.

Using another cacheline would mean the wakeup path would need to write a
second cross cpu cacheline -- that is badness too.

So no, I don't think we want to listen to another line.
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