Re: [PATCH 01/12] Security: Add CAP_COMPROMISE_KERNEL
From: Vivek Goyal
Date: Thu Mar 21 2013 - 13:16:12 EST
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:19:52AM -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > I am hoping I did not miss your point entirely.
> No, you didn't. If replay attacks are not a concern then that bit
> doesn't matter. But if^Wwhen there is a vulnerability in a signed kernel,
> and a user has a copy of bzImage sitting around, signed kexec alone does
> not suffice (and I'm assuming revocation is not going into the kernel?).
> It seems to me if replay attacks are ignored, this is all for theater...
As matthew mentioned, revocation list is in kernel. So old vulnerable
kernels should fail signature verification.
> The other concern is analogous, just more general - seems like I may very
> well be able to find a way to corrupt kexec or even corrupt the kernel with
> a bad environment.
> So I'm just saying that in general it doesn't seem worth having a special
> list of capabilities that only signed executables can have, without doing
> something about the environment.
Agreed that only being signed is part of the problem. Environment is
important too. And running signed binaries memory locked is I think
one part of controlling the environment. But there might be other
things too which I am blissfully unaware of.
Right now there were few things we were considering for controlling
- Build /sbin/kexec statically and sign only statically linked exeutables.
- Run executables memory locked
- Unsigned binary can not ptrace() signed one.
> And that the solution to that seems like
> what we can already do today (with a bounding set and init-launched
Frankly speaking I did not understand this part. For secureboot issue
we don't trust root and don't trust init. I am assuming any restricted
environment setup will have to be done by a trusted entity.
> All of this is probably premature though. IIUC the first thing you are
> after is a way to record on the file the fact that it is a verified-signature
> binary, and that's what CAP_SIGNED meant right?
Yes, that was the first thing. How to reliably sign and verify signature
of a executable. Also make sure executable code/data can not modified
in memory later by anything untrusted.
> I agree we need something
> like that, but using a capability is not right. You can add a field to
> the binprm or file or f_cred, or even add a field to the capability struct,
> meaningful only on files, to show it was signed - but not taint the list of
> capabilities with something that is not a capability.
Ok, I will look into other options too. Agreed being signed is not a
capability. But being signed along with other attributes should allow to
get one a capability (CAP_MODIFY_KERNEL in this case). I am not sure why
nobody likes that idea. But that's fine, I will go with advice of subject
> I haven't looked
> closer to see which would be the best way (my hunch would be binprm), will
> be happy to come up with a proposal when I have time, but I don't want to slow
> you down :)
Any suggetions are greatly appreciated whenever time permits. In the mean
time I will atleast write more code and post it for RFC and hopefully
there will be some consensus on how to solve kexec issue.
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