Re: [PATCH] virtio-balloon spec: provide a version of the "silent deflate" feature that works
From: Rusty Russell
Date: Sat Sep 08 2012 - 01:17:06 EST
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 04:09:50PM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
>> > So it looks like a bug: we should teach driver to tell host first on leak?
>> > Yan, Vadim, can you comment please?
>> > Also if true, looks like this bit will be useful to detect a fixed driver on
>> > the hypervisor side - to avoid unmapping such pages? Rusty what do you
>> > think?
>> So, feature is unimplemented in qemu, and broken in drivers. I starting
>> to share Paolo's dislike of it.
> What is broken in drivers?
Because supporting the feature is *not* optional for a driver.
If the device said MUST_TELL_HOST, it meant that the driver *had* to
tell the host before it touched the page, otherwise Bad Things might
happen. It was in the original spec precisely to allow devices to
actually *remove* pages.
Noone ever noticed the windows driver didn't support it, because qemu
never requires MUST_TELL_HOST.
So in practice, it's now an optional feature. Since no device used it
anyway, we're better off discarding it than trying to fix it.
If someone wants an *optional* "tell me first" feature later, that's
easy to add, but I don't see why they'd want to.
> Do we really know there are no hypervisors implementing it?
As much as can be known. Qemu doesn't, lkvm doesn't.
> As I said above drivers do have support.
Not the windows drivers. So it's optional, thus removing it will likely
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