Re: [PATCH 4/6] futex: Add FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning

[Darren Hart]

Peter W. Morreale wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 20:25 -0700, Darren Hart wrote:
> > Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > > On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Darren Hart wrote:
> > > > Thomas Gleixner wrote:

> > > > > 	   if ((curval & FUTEX_TID_MASK) != ownertid) {
> > > > > 	      ownertid = curval & FUTEX_TID_MASK;
> > > > > 	      owner = update_owner(ownertid);
> > > > > 	   }
> > > > Hrm... at this point the owner has changed... so we should break and go
> > > > to sleep, not update the owner and start spinning again. The
> > > > futex_spin_on_owner() will detect this and abort, so I'm not seeing the
> > > > purpose of the above if() block.
> > > Why ? If the owner has changed and the new owner is running on another
> > > cpu then why not spin further ?
> > That's an interesting question, and I'm not sure what the right answer 
> > is. The current approach of the adaptive spinning in the kernel is to 
> > spin until the owner changes or deschedules, then stop and block. The 
> > idea is that if you didn't get the lock before the owner changed, you 
> > aren't going to get it in a very short period of time (you have at least 
> > an entire critical section to wait through plus whatever time you've 
> > already spent spinning). However, blocking just so another task can spin 
> > doesn't really make sense either, and makes the lock less fair than it 
> > could otherwise be.
>
> Not only less fair, but potentially could cause starvation, no?  Perhaps
> you could see this if you changed your model to allow all contended
> tasks to spin instead of just one.  

Agreed, and V5 (just posted) does just that.

> If a spinning task blocks because of an owner change, and a new task
> enters and starts spinning directly after the owner change, at what
> point does the original task get woken up?

At the time of unlock the owner will have to call FUTEX_WAKE. This task 
will wake and attempt to acquire the lock - it will lose races with 
aclready running contenders. Lock stealing, adaptive spinning, etc are 
all going to lead to less fair locks in exchange for throughput.

>  Its likely that the new
> spinner will get the resource next, no?  Rinse/repeat with another task
> and the original spinner is starved.  
>
> (Or am I missing something?  My understanding was that unfairness was
> built-in to this algo... If so, then the above is a possibility, right?)

Yes it is. These locks are typically used in situations where it is more 
important that some work gets completed than _which_ work gets completed.

Thanks,

--
Darren Hart
IBM Linux Technology Center
Real-Time Linux Team
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