Re: [linux-dvb] Multiproto API/Driver Update

From: Julian Scheel
Date: Mon Sep 15 2008 - 02:03:21 EST


just to clarify things a bit I'll give a short statement now.

Andy Walls schrieb:
Though I can't read much German, after looking at the website I
can't help but think that you as well have financial interests driving
your actions. If so, then your statements display quite a bit of
The role of jusst technologies in the whole multiproto story is as following:
The time when DVB-S2 came up this was of course of major interest for jusst technologies, so we searched for people working on drivers. At that not many people did seem to care about this stuff - but Manu did. So we got in contact and tried to help him as much as we can, which included making up connections to KNC1 for technical questions and datasheets, provide a KNC1 testing board and later then give free web/codespace to Manu.
Furthermore we of course did lots of testing of multiproto. But never we did pay Manu for any of this work.
Reading that you should recognize that there can't be much financial interests for Manu.

Seeing that you impute hyprocrisy to Manu due to "facts" you don't have proven in any way makes me a bit contemplative. I don't like being political when talking about technical terms (which linuxtv in first place should be about imho) - anyway this one time I will give a somewhat political statement, too.
All you guys who are blaming Manu to do some wrong or bad stuff, what is your point? - I see you searching quote where Manu did talk in a somewhat unpolite manner just to blame him of being the wrong person introducing a new API? - I have no interest in doing the same quoting with your postings or the so called competitors postings, but I'd bed I could quote almost any of you in a not less distracting manner than you like to do with Manu.
Manipulating (i.e. stalling) the timing of Multiproto being merged into
the v4l-dvb tree or kernel, for you or your employer's gain, would be
little different from the motivations you allege Steve of having.

Since the major gripe I'm reading on the list "is that multiproto has
taken too long" and since it seems to me the only thing that shook it
loose was a competing proposal, please save the venom for when you
actually have some clear moral high-ground to stand on. I don't see it
from here.
Using "taking too long" as an argument against an API proposal is really interesting. What did you expect? - A quick shot which is not well thought about wouldn't have be a good thing for anyone.
I'm absolutely fine if anyone would came up with real technical arguments, but reading many postings so far I couldn't find much of such statements.
As for the technical superiority of either API proposal; that probably
just doesn't matter. I've seen policy/political decisions force
suboptimal technical solutions at work time and time again. If you
really believe you have a superior product technically; then perhaps you
should work to make it superior politically as well. Mud-slinging can't
be a good long term strategy toward that end.
To be political again: Thank you for blaming jusst being not interested in proper technical solutions. What makes you thinking of this? - Just the fact that you recognize jusst as a commercial company? Very interesting.

I really have a feeling that many people here are mostly interested in making politics instead of thinking about technical solutions which makes all this a horrible topic for all that people who are interested in a working solution (which Manu has proven to deliver) - mainly the users.

So far this is my statement (in representation for jusst technologies) for the moment.

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