Re: long delays (possibly infinite) intime_interpolator_get_counter

[Alex Williamson]

On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 16:31 -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> What you are dealing with is a machine that is using ITC as a time bases. 
> That is a special case.

   The default time source for ia64 systems is a "special case"?  4
socket and smaller boxes typically do not have any other time source.

> The fix should not affect machines that have a 
> proper time source. More below. You can circumvent the compensation for 
> ITC inaccuracies by specifying "nojitter" on the kernel command if you are 
> willing to take the risk of slightly inaccurate time.

   And what if you don't have any HPET and aren't willing to take that
risk?  We need a solution that works with all time sources.  A system
with the default time source should not hang or have unreasonable delays
with the standard setup.  Why is a synchronized ITC driven from a common
clock such a terrible time source for small systems?

> Well get a proper time source and do not use ITC for a time source in an 
> SMP system. Got HPET hardware?

   No, HPET on small boxes is unnecessary, we should be able to come up
with something that can effectively use the ITC.  Does a seqlock really
make sense for the do_gettimeofday() path?  This problem arises because
a reader of time is actually updating and writing a part of time.  It
would certainly be too much overhead to obtain a write lock for every
gettimeofday(), but to avoid that we have to put some kind of contention
avoidance in the path.  I don't know whether that should be some kind of
back-off algorithm at the point of contention w/ the cmpxchg or up
higher with a new seqlock read entry point that blocks when a write is
in progress.  In any case, I think we need to focus on a solution that
works well on all systems, not just those with extra timer hardware.
Thanks,

	Alex



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