Re: Binary-only firmware covered by the GPL?

[Stefan Smietanowski]

Hi.

> > > The GPL does not talk about the code to create things, but code to
> > > _modify_ things. If you never have to modify the firmware file, where is
> > > the point?
> >
> > And if I feel like I _want_ to modify it? Then I should be entitled
> > to the preferred form to make modifications to it as is my right
> > under the GPL, regardless of if I a) want to b) have a need to
> > c) give a rat's ass about what the firmware does or does not do.
> > A binary blob is extremely seldom the preferred form to make
> > modifications to, even though some such cases do or might exist.
>
> Same with WAV and PNG files distributed with many GPL packages. It is
> widely accepted method to distribute files that do not need modification
> without their "source" (whatever source is used to create them).

A WAV file can altered easily using any sound program that will in fact
produce an output that would "work" as would the same apply to a PNG
file. If the result would be pretty or not is a different question
of course :)

To draw a parallel between a WAV or PNG file (a well-known standard)
to a firmware for a specific card (a closed standard) is thin.

Even though I can modify a PNG or WAV file using a hex editor it
is _NOT_ preferred form, and neither is modifying the firmware
using a hex editor, neither to me nor to the people doing the cards.

> > You do know that certain TV cards (using the ivtv driver) lack a rom
> > and needs a firmware initialized during startup just like this example.
> >
> > Why am I taking this up ? Well they have specifically stated that the
> > firmware _may not be used without the windows driver_ even though
> > others have written a fully working driver that _only_ needs the
> > firmware from the windows driver to function under linux.
>
> Write a firmware loader that extracts it from the Windows DLLs. Such
> things happened in the past and work AFAIK quite good.

Yes, but the legality of it is questionable.

> > Surprised? If they put the firmware on the card (rom/flash/eeprom)
>
> No.
>
> > this wouldn't have happened but it did.
> > How exactly do you believe this makes anything more flexible for me
> > as an end user when it is not LEGAL for me to use the card with
> > linux due to the firmware issue.
>
> Imagine, there is a bug in the firmware. Normaly, you would have to boot
> windows or DOS to run a flash tool to install it into the device. Here
> you just replace the DLL.

You mean get a new DLL and decompile it or otherwise gain access
to said firmware.

> > Yes, some claim there IS a loophole in that the end user MAY extract
> > the firmware from the windows driver himself and use it together
> > with the (open) linux driver but IANAL. Ie use but not redistribute.
>
> The user gets the driver CD when he buys the hardware.

Some countries might call it illegal to use the contents to other
uses than  issued but a country like germany for instance would
I believe invalidate the license since it was not accepted before
purchase, so the whole thing is very iffy. Again, IANAL.

// Stefan
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