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Hi Matti,
On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Matti Aarnio wrote:
> Folks, when aiming to post into VGER's lists, DO NOT
> try to make any cute things in headers. Any such
> are bound to cause TONS of bounces, which did happen
> in this particular case...
>
> This is particularly important when posting patches..
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 03:49:01PM +0000, Andrew Bray wrote:
> > To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
> > From: abuse@madhouse.demon.co.uk (Andrew Bray)
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH] drivers/pci,hamradio,scsi,aic7xxx,video,zorro clean and mrproper files 4/6
> > Date: 13 Sep 2002 15:49:01 GMT
> > Organization: Private Internet Node
> > Message-ID: <slrnao427d.si3.abuse@madhouse.demon.co.uk>
> > Reply-To: andy@@chaos.org.uk
I object!
There is nothing 'cute' in this header, and I didn't post a patch, just a
comment on one. It was entirely correct SMTP, with a truly unique message
ID and all addresses were valid for sending replies (From:, and
Reply-To:), and all arrive to me.
The SMTP envelope from address (which you didn't include) is another valid
address which I don't expect to cause trouble: mail-list@madhouse).
abuse@madhouse is a perfectly valid e-mail address on this machine, and
andy@chaos is an address which will always reach me, even if I leave
demon.
I chose abuse as an address, because I have received many spam messages
offering 'cleaned' address lists where obvious 'trap-door' addresses were
filtered out - 'abuse@' was explicitely mentioned. This I count as a
success, because, despite using abuse@ in the From: address in all news
and mailing list postings for six years, only 14% of my incoming spam is
sent to abuse@madhouse. (Interestingly, only 1% of incoming spam is sent
to my Reply-To: address).
I cannot imagine why folks would want to trap abuse as a From: address,
because in the thousands of spam messagess I have received over the last
ten years, NONE have had abuse in either the envelope from address, or the
SMTP From: header.
abuse is traditionally a destination address for reporting abuse to ISPs,
for example demon have an email address for reporting abuse by customers
which is abuse@demon.co.uk
I argue that the bounces are coming from mis-configured MTAs, as:
1) They should be bouncing on the envelope-from address rather than the
From: header, as the envelope address is more likely to be valid. MTAs
shoud regard the From: address as a comment, because it is so readily
forged.
2) abuse is a silly address to trap, as it just doesn't happen in spam.
I use a threading news reader to read linux-kernel, and the scripts I use
can easily munge the From: address to point back to the processor (I
belong to some mailing lists that only accept postings from the address
that is registered), but then then the mail would have a From: address
that isn't read by a human, which in my opinion is real abuse.
This mailing list is gatewayed to a number if widely available usenet
newsgroups, so I am loath to return to using my 'real' address in the
From: header.
Regards,
Andy
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