Otto Wyss wrote:
> situation was switching power off and on after a few minutes of
> inactivity. From the impression I got during the following startup, I
You aren't giving a lot of detail here. I assume your startup scripts run
fsck, and you saw a lot of errors. Were any of them uncorrectable?
> assume Linux (2.4.2, EXT2-filesystem) is not very suited to any power
> failiure or manually switching it off. Not even if there wasn't any
> activity going on.
That is correct. Pulling the plug on non-journaled filesystems is a
bad idea.
> Shouldn't a good system allways try to be on the save side?
Yes. Some of this is your responsibility. You have several options:
1. Get a UPS. That would not have helped your particular problem,
but it's a good idea if you care about data integrity.
2. Use a journaling file system. These are much more tolerant of
abuse. Reiserfs seems to work for me on embedded systems I am
building where the user can (and does) remove the power any time.
3. Use RAID. Hard drives are very cheap and software raid is very
easy to set up.
> There is currently much work done in
> getting high performance during high activity but it seems there is no
> work done at all in getting a save system during low/no activity.
Actually, a lot of work _is_ being done on journaling file systems
which help solve this problem. Current journaling file systems are
metadata only, but Tux2 (if I understand it) will journal everything.
> How could this be accomplished:
> 1. Flush any dirty cache pages as soon as possible. There may
> not be any
> dirty cache after a certain amount of idle time.
This can be done from user space. The simple approach would be to set up a
cron job to sync and flush buffers every "n" seconds. A smarter approach
would examine the load average, and not sync if the load was high. This
does not need to be in the kernel.
> 2. Keep open files in a state where it doesn't matter if they where
> improperly closed (if possible).
This is mostly a user space problem as well. It has been solved for
editors which automatically save files every "n" minutes. I don't know
if it can be solved from kernel space - if applications leave files in
an inconsistent state, how can the kernel possibly do anything about it?
> 3. Swap may not contain anything which can't be discarded. Otherwise
> swap has to be treated as ordinary disk space.
I'm not an expert, but I don't think this is relevant?
> Don't we tell children never go close to any abyss or doesn't have
> alpinist a saying "never go to the limits"? So why is this simple rule
> always broken with computers?
So were you breaking this rule? Were you using a journaling file system,
or RAID, or a UPS?
Torrey Hoffman
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