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"Michael H. Warfield" wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 09:14:25PM +0000, Robert de Bath wrote:
> > Yes it could be done quite easily.
> I would question the "easily" part. There are other issues.
> > But first you'll have to get rid of all the idiots in the American and
> > French governments.
> I think you are a little out of date with current events.
> As of January 14, the US export restrictions on cryptopgraphy
> were relaxed (outside of one minor reporting irritation which does NOT
> affect Open Source Software - only commercial software). We are in a 120
> day "comment period" but the changes in the regulations themselves are in
> effect, NOW. The regulations on Open Source Software SOURCES was almost
> totally relaxed with no real restrictions on download sites and no reporting
> requirements (please note emphasis on SOURCES - binaries are still
> restricted somewhat). The policy at kernel.org has now changed to
> allow cryptography and they are in the process of making crypto available
> from their sites and mirrors. One gotcha was the loss of one or more
> mirror sites that reside in the T-7 countries (7 countries listed as
> restricted due to Terrorist activities) because the kernel.org gang do
> want to include some binaries on the sites. I know we lost at least one.
> The French relaxed their restrictions on possession of cryptography
> last year some time and even the crypto law survey site has that updated.
> There are still restrictions in Russia, China, and a few other countries,
> but we can't be playing to everyone elses' lowest common denominator (plus
> we want to provide strong encouragement and incentive to lower those
> regulations as well).
> I spoke directly with Linus a couple of days ago at LinuxWorld Expo
> in New York. I specifically wanted to get his views on where he saw crypto
> in the kernel proceeding, both from an implimentation standpoint and from
> a time-frame standpoint. I don't want to "speak for the man" but he told
> me that he wants to move forward on crypto in the kernel but he wants to
> move slowly as things play out.
> That gave me the impression that it is unlikely that we will
> see hardened crypto integrated into the kernel sources in the early
> 2.4 releases. I do hope that something does make it into the 2.4 release,
> though. I would personally prefer KLIPS (The kernel component of
> Free/Swan IPSec) but I realize that some people are going to differ with
> me on that.
> We have technical crypto issues that have to be examined carefully,
> and that's why I held a BOF on "Cryptography in the Linux Kernel" last
> Thursday at LinuxWorld. We have cryptographic file systems (several) and
> cryptography protocols (CIPE, FreeSwan/IPSec) to consider. We DON'T need
> 5 copies of 3DES, four copies of Blowfish, three copies of Idea, two
> copies of Twofish, and a partridge in a pear tree in the kernel. And
> let's not forget AES, SkipJack (Yuck), GOST, Lucifer, Loki, and what
> ever else someone is going to dream up an idea for.
> IF we consider the regulatory issues resolved (distribution makers
> still have to install crypto from sources - they can't export the binaries
> as freely as they export sources) or at least managable, then we have to
> consider the logistical and technical issues. We may need a "cryptographic
> service provider" in the kernel to provide algorithms to various
> cryptographic consumers in the kernel and to provide a framework for
> integrating new algorithms and access.
> Distro makers could build everything initially and delete the
> crypto object modules for their distributions. Then the crypto modules
> could be recompiled from the sources at installation time. So we may
> need a separate "crypto" area in the /lib/modules/*/ directories. That
> may impact some other utilities (I haven't looked that far ahead yet).
> One gentleman at my BOF was very concerned about hardware
> accelerators. He's very worried about performance with all of this
> cryptography churning cycles in the kernel. We may need to be able to
> plug in a crypto accelerator card that the kernel can use and then
> all of the consumers of crypto services just magically get faster.
> So now we not only have crypto algorithms, but we have crypto hardware
> Then there are smartcards, certainly not accelerators but
> providing a whole different facility...
> Some people want to see cryptographically signed modules for
> the kernel. That opens up a whole NEW can a worms (Arrakis, here we
> come) with public key cryptography. I'm not totally sure about the
> feasibility of that, but I'm willing to be convinced either way. Would
> you be willing to type in a passphrase at boot-up to unlock all of your
> cryptographically signed loadable kernel modules? Some people feel
> they would be. I would love to see THAT coupled with smartcards doing
> the PK stuff. That would deal with the password on bootup issues.
> The PK issues and smartcard issues may forever stay on the user level.
> Merely taking all the crypto pieces we have laying around at
> kerneli.org and plugging them into the main kernel source tree is
> IMNSHO the WRONG way to go. That's the easy way but it would end
> up with redundant code, poor optimization, inflexibility, and too
> much bloat. I personally don't think Linus would accept that (at
> least I hope he wouldn't).
> We are now at the leading edge of integrating cryptography into
> the kernel. We need to do it right and not turn it into a cesspool.
> Linus is right... We need to go slow on this, even though the regulations
> have now been relaxed. The regulations forced us into a situation where
> we have a plethora of implimentations that now have to be resolved so that
> they are properly integrated into the kernel, not merely hacked in on
> top of everything else.
> A few of the issues I see...
> What existing add-on packages do we want integrated into the kernel?
> What form should a cryptographic service provider take?
> What algorithms do we need?
> DES, 3DES, Idea, BlowFish...
> Do we need public key algorithms?
> What are the initial cryptograhic service consumers?
> CIPE, IPSec, loopback crypto...
> Do we provide access from user level programs to kernel level
> How to we coordinate with the different projects to get them
> to use the integrated crypto?
> A couple of other issues to remember are these...
> 1) Some of these groups will not accept US contributions to their
> code bases so they have to do the adaptations to what ever crypto services
> end up in the kernel.
> 2) The existing packages and groups may still have to deal with
> kernels which do not have integrated cryptography. We are not simplifying
> their efforts in that regard, we are making their jobs worse. They may
> simply decide to say that they will only work with a crypto enabled kernel
> (I doubt it) or they may ignore the kernel integrated crypto and only use
> their own (I hope this would rapidly become unacceptable).
> I believe the floor is open for discussion...
> If there is sufficient interest and discussion, we may want to set
> up a separate mailing list just for common crypto issues and development.
> I would be willing to host such a list, but I want to be sure there is
> sufficient interest and agreement before going to that trouble. If the
> threads remain managable and well identified, we may keep it here on
> linux-kernel unless we get too many complaints.
> > I wish you luck.
> > --
> > Rob. (Robert de Bath <http://poboxes.com/rdebath>)
> > <rdebath @ poboxes.com> <http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday>
> > On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, fejed wrote:
> > > Encrypted File systems implementation into the kernel?
> > > I think its a great idea, here's the site with the source/libraries and
> > > 3DES and RC5 modules:
> > > Currently only supports 2.0.x kernels I think , so a port to 2.2.x or
> > > 2.3.x or when 2.4.x comes out.
> > > http://tcfs.dia.unisa.it/
> > > Mirrors:
> > > http://www.wwti.com/
> > > http://vales.uni.net
> > > http://zaphod.ethz.ch
> > >
> > > --
> > > "In the begginning ARPA created the ARPANET.
> > > "And the ARPANET was without form and void.
> > > "And darkness was upon the deep.
> > > "And the spirit of ARPA moved upon the face of the network and ARPA said,
> > > 'Let there be a protocol,'and there was a protocol. And ARPA saw that it
> > > was good.
> > > "And ARPA said,'Let there be more protocols,'and it was so.And ARPA saw
> > > that it was good.
> > > "And ARPA said,'Let there be more networks,'and it was so."
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