If someone owns an area, the SMART thing is to work through that person
so we don't duplicate effort. What Pavel already has is 98% of what we
need, and I'd rather let him own this area. If he doesn't want to
that's his call, but it makes more work, costs more money, and takes
If you want to mediate my projects, then perhaps I should coordinate
through you. I need someone to look at our stuff (who is competent with
the RAID stuff, and tell us whether it would make more sense to use
what's already there(my first choice). We can also try to junk up our
brain cells pouring over Pavel's Code, but why should we waste brain
cells storing information we won't use after it's implemented?
Particularly when we have a STUDLY expert like Pavel in this area -- and
who knows, maybe he'll learn something from seeing how someone else does
mirroring and create something even better down the road for Linux?
Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> > At least your talking to me again now -- this is progress.
> > Nobody ever attacked anything, I asked questions about your stuff,
> > you guys take everything so personal -- it's not personal -- it's
> > just business.
> Linux "business" isn't business the normal way.
> > You cost me an additional $250,000 in salaries to engineers to do
> > this. It would have been much simpler to just help us use your
> > stuff.
> It appears that your way of business is costing you an awful
> lot of money. If it's just business, you may want to look into
> cooperating closer and in a more friendly way with the Linux
> Please keep in mind that I'm not telling you what to do. It's
> your money and I am sure that you'll be able to make a good
> decision yourself. (but I certainly would like to be able to
> work together with you guys on more friendly terms)
> > I would still like to look at this possibility. I sent you the
> > source code for the nwvp.c modules that do the mirroring almost
> > four months ago -- you ignored them.
> No need to get upset about people ignoring you. The reason
> most probably is that we're all very busy with our own and
> each other's things (yes, you read that right, we help each
> other out). There are certain (easy) ways in which you can
> get us to help you out too...
> > I'll post the source code and you can look it over and see how we
> > could put this into a raid driver. There are still issues with
> > the buffer cache despite this, but I consider this progress. I
> > look forward to working with you on this if you want to.
> Cool. Your stuff seems to have solved some of the problems
> that the current Linux code hasn't solved yet. Maybe it would
> be a good idea if you worked closer together with the people
> who are implementing RAID and clustering for Linux?
> With that I don't just mean that you keep us up to date and
> we'll have the chance to look at your stuff, but also that
> you keep an eye on our developments and help plan the future
> of the subsystems you depend on.
> When you help design the future, not only will you face less
> unpleasant surprises, but the code will also be closer to
> what you want it to be and we can anticipate on your needs
> (instead of receiving a flame afterwards). Also, your view
> of the matter might have improved Linux...
> Sure, doing all that might cost you quite a bit of money,
> but it would have avoided the $250.000 bill of duplicated
> effort, the open source community could have handed you
> some valuable ideas that could have saved you even more
> work or improved your product -- for free.
> That the open source world works differently is not at
> all a matter of "get over it".
> It's a matter of adapting to the environment and using
> it to your advantage...
> kind regards,
> The Internet is not a network of computers. It is a network
> of people. That is its real strength.
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